Marco Caban said "The Radhanites of Spain, in 1400, took the center of the Jewish goverment established in Spain to the korsack of Poland. It is suposed that some of the rabbis were Caban."
I don't know what the "korsack of Poland" means... if it's a typo or I'm just ignorant (most likely the latter) but I did look up the Radhanites in Wikipedia. It says:
"The Radhanites (also Radanites, Hebrew sing. רדהני Radhani, pl. רדהנים Radhanim; Arabic الرذنية ar-Raðaniyya) were medieval Jewish merchants. Whether the term, which is used by only a limited number of primary sources, refers to a specific guild, or a clan, or is a generic term for Jewish merchants in the trans-Eurasian trade network is unclear. Jewish merchants dominated trade between the Christian and Islamic worlds during the early Middle Ages (approx.AD 500–1000). Many trade routes previously established under the Roman Empire continued to function during that period largely through their efforts. Their trade network covered much of Europe, North Africa, the Middle East, Central Asia and parts of India and China."
That would explain our name getting around, if it's true that we have Radhanite origins.
CabanR said: "Hi interested in your posting and I also have been curious about the Caban origins - I can shed some new light having done Y DNA testing myCaban heritage traces back to Ireland - they have a county in Ireland call Cavan county - I also thought they were French but there is more to that having Polish origins is another mystery but the Y DNA also indicates Haplogroup I1b originating in the what are the Balkans in Europe
My grandfather Manuel Caban-Vera is a descent of the Caban santeros who settled Camuy-Quebradillas area. Manuel was born in Quebradillas - with DNA testing Y chromosome from the male the Haplogroup ia I1b - originating in the Balkans - they are also Celts - as the DNA mutations show origins in Ireland with matches - There is a county in Ireland call
Cavan county during the Irish disporta - Royal Decree of Grace - 1815 the Caban santeros are known from about 1850 to 1950 as multi-generational family of santeros."
That's very interesting too! My father was descended from the same Santeros. Anyone else connected to the Santeros group?
Randy Caban said: "Caban is also a surname found in Lincolnshire County, England and also in Scotland. Caban is also a word in the Welsh language - Caban is a surname found in Poland pronounced "tsban" and it is found in all parts of Europe."
And that probably brings us back to the Radhanites.
On these pages, Lucita has commented,
"I have a 4th great-grandfather, Alejandro Caban. I had my Mtdna done. I also convinced one of my male cousins to have the Y-DNA test done. Here are the results:
DYS# 393 390 19* (aka 394) 391 385a 385b 426 388 439 389-1 392 389-2
Did you have yours done?"
Hooray! Unfortunately I don't know how to interpret the data and being female mine would only go back to origins so ancient that they just virtually say "Human from planet Earth." But maybe someone will know how to read the data...
And in the meantime we also have cousins... the Rodriguez family has married very closely in with the Cabans, as have the Sotos and the Romans. I got a comment from Angela Roman asking if anyone knows about the connection. I can say what I know...
Valentin Roman Y Campos married Manuela Campos in the 1890s. They had the following children who were listed by the name Campos rather than the name Roman. (I believe this was done after the US took over PR in 1898.):
Francisca - b. 1895
Antonia - b. 1902
Lucia - 1903 - 1925
Jova - b. 1904
John - 1906 - 1972
Bienvenido - b. 1908
Leopoldo - b. 1908
Nazario - 1915 - 2001
Alejandro - b. 1917
All of these children were born in Islote, near Arecibo, in Puerto Rico. Of that list John Campos married Carmen Caban and they had two sons, John and William.
Carmen Caban was the daughter of Roque Caban and Juana Torres. Roque was the son of Eduviges Caban and Maria Rodriguez, and his parents were Juan Caban and Juana Hernandez. Juan and Juana are listed as "strangers to Puerto Rico" in the parish records that my late cousin John discovered. They seem to be the start of the dynasty - at least of the one that I'm descended from.
Their son, Eduviges had 5 sons - Quiterio, Rafael, Wincelso, Antonio and Roque. The Caban Santeros are sons of Quiterio. Roque was the mayor of Aguadilla for a while. Here is the picture from his campaign button -
I descend from Rafael Caban. So... Roque was my great-grand Uncle and his daughter Carmen married into the Roman family. And as I said, this is not the first or only connection. Perhaps you know of others! If nothing else, I hope this list helps some of us find a connection.
Oh and Manuel Caban-Vera is my first cousin once removed! Woo-hoo I connected with someone!!
7 comments:
Wow this is so cool, thanx for the info. when I get in contact with my uncle I am going to ask him what he knows about our families.
Hi with my R. Caban Haplogroup I1b
Positive for the following SNPs: M170+ M258+ P19+ P37.2+ P38+
Negative for the following SNPs: M161- M21- M223- M227- M253- M26- M307- M72- P30-
Haplogroup - I1b The Balkan countries likely harbored this subgroup of I during the Last Glacial Maximum. Today this branch is found distributed in the Balkans and Eastern Europe, and extends further east with Slavic-speaking populations
HI. My name is Oscar Lopez Hernandez. Juana Hernandez is son of Tomas Hernandez Castillo from Canary Islands and Francisca Perez BArreto From Camuy.
Tomas is my GGG grand father. He has a first marriage with Gregoria Ramos Perez. Three Caban Rodriguez Brothers married three Hernandez Perez Brothers. please contact me at lopezoscari@gmail.com
Hi Oscar. My name is Sonia Caban and my grandfather's name was Manuel Caban Barreto and his aunt used to live with him, her name was Felipa Barreto, she never had kids.They use to live in Camuy.
I have been doing much more research and have found that the Cabans were involved with the Sosa’s who founded Aguadilla. But they are Irish in origin not Jewish, This is supported by all the DNA evidence collected from my Caban side of the family showing no Jewish ancestry but showing Irish ancestry. And they were In Puerto Rico many decades before the founding of Aguadilla. One account I found was in an article about Don Juan de la Rosa Velazco y Hernandez del Rio(?-1820), who was born in Santo Domingo and came to Puerto Rico. He was married to Dona Rosa Olavarria y Caban(1747-1843)she was born in Aguada. Dona Rosa Olavarria y Caban was daughter of Don Juan Baustista Olavarria, who was a native of Bilbao Spain. Her mother was Dona maria Caban y de Aviles, who was born in Aguada.
In this excerpt below it states how the Cabans are a old Irish family in Puerto Rico and how there spelling was originally Carvan.
“El apelllido Caban, no es de procedencia espanola. Es un apellodo solariego irlandes que en su origen se escribia “carvan” y que sufrio alteraciones en su escritura, segun el genealogista Rafael Reichard Sapia. Esta familia es muy Antigua y hoy se encuenta disminada por toda esta Zona oeste.”
I have been doing much more research and have found that the Cabans were involved with the Sosa’s who founded Aguadilla. But they are Irish in origin not Jewish, This is supported by all the DNA evidence collected from my Caban side of the family showing no Jewish ancestry but showing Irish ancestry. And they were In Puerto Rico many decades before the founding of Aguadilla. One account I found was in an article about Don Juan de la Rosa Velazco y Hernandez del Rio(?-1820), who was born in Santo Domingo and came to Puerto Rico. He was married to Dona Rosa Olavarria y Caban(1747-1843)she was born in Aguada. Dona Rosa Olavarria y Caban was daughter of Don Juan Baustista Olavarria, who was a native of Bilbao Spain. Her mother was Dona maria Caban y de Aviles, who was born in Aguada.
In this excerpt below it states how the Cabans are a old Irish family in Puerto Rico and how there spelling was originally Carvan.
“El apelllido Caban, no es de procedencia espanola. Es un apellodo solariego irlandes que en su origen se escribia “carvan” y que sufrio alteraciones en su escritura, segun el genealogista Rafael Reichard Sapia. Esta familia es muy Antigua y hoy se encuenta disminada por toda esta Zona oeste.”
I have been doing much more research and have found that the Cabans were involved with the Sosa’s who founded Aguadilla. But they are Irish in origin not Jewish, This is supported by all the DNA evidence collected from my Caban side of the family showing no Jewish ancestry but showing Irish ancestry. And they were In Puerto Rico many decades before the founding of Aguadilla. One account I found was in an article about Don Juan de la Rosa Velazco y Hernandez del Rio(?-1820), who was born in Santo Domingo and came to Puerto Rico. He was married to Dona Rosa Olavarria y Caban(1747-1843)she was born in Aguada. Dona Rosa Olavarria y Caban was daughter of Don Juan Baustista Olavarria, who was a native of Bilbao Spain. Her mother was Dona maria Caban y de Aviles, who was born in Aguada.
In this excerpt below it states how the Cabans are a old Irish family in Puerto Rico and how there spelling was originally Carvan.
“El apelllido Caban, no es de procedencia espanola. Es un apellodo solariego irlandes que en su origen se escribia “carvan” y que sufrio alteraciones en su escritura, segun el genealogista Rafael Reichard Sapia. Esta familia es muy Antigua y hoy se encuenta disminada por toda esta Zona oeste.”
Post a Comment